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Str0b0 · Jul 23, 2007, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

That's awfully generous.

I give GW:EN a maximum of two months before players become bored with it. (which is double what I've experienced in Nightfall, so that's my blind optimism talking) While that is my opinion, how often can you replay the same dungeons, really?

However, if ArenaNet did indeed lie and the Reputation Grind is severe...I'm not sure what to expect. I would expect players to quit out of anger of grind, so the question would be moot.

Zinger I have to ask this, and before I do I want to state that I respect you and your opinions and on several occasions we have agreed on many issues, however, it seems that many times you seem outright disgusted by Guild Wars and Arena Net and this begs the question; why do you continue to post on these forums and presumably play? Now again this isn't one of those stupid rants where I yell " You never say anything nice GTFO!" It's just an honest question.

On Topic though I doubt GW2 will "kill" GW. I mean look at Diablo. I know that people were still playing Diablo long after Diablo 2 had come out. Shoot Diablo 2 is still played by a fairly robust community, granted nowhere near WoW proportions , but enough that they keep the lights on for them.

HardWonFame · Jul 23, 2007, 08:21 PM // 20:21

Guild Wars 2 wont kill guild wars, but it will be far more popular if Anet continues its trend of great games.

I honestly don't understand why people are so afraid to put guild wars behind them.

chesterocks7 · Jul 23, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by HardWonFame

Guild Wars 2 wont kill guild wars, but it will be far more popular if Anet continues its trend of great games.

I honestly don't understand why people are so afraid to put guild wars behind them.

who said anything about being afraid to put the game behind us. you speak about it like you are obliged to forget a game once a sequal comes out. the point is with all three chapters and the upcoming expansion(s) and with all the characters we have there is so much to do and so much with these games we want to still do in the future, that we dont want the guild war servers shut down. im sure GW2 will be amazing, but as you get older ive found you have less and less time for video games, and id rather play a few good games to their full potential than a whole slew of good games just barely tapping into what they have to offer. it makes me feel like i really am getting my moneys worth.

Dylananimus · Jul 24, 2007, 03:18 AM // 03:18

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Originally Posted by SlyClone

I think a small cluster of GW players are simply miserable because something that they exploited was taken away. So, they will endlessly troll the forum trying to get Anet's attention.. but don't worry Anet don't listen to them spoiled brats anyway.

I believe there will be 2 more expansions before GW2 comes out to alleviate some "boring" factors that the hard core gamers(exploiters) need to stay happy for that long.

And it's possible that those speculated expansions will re-new the reasons to play the original campains.

Just even everything out. Like weapons that can be inscribed should be accessible across the whole game. Not just in Elona and further expansions. Think about it, Anet. You want people to play your WHOLE world, but ONLY a certain part of the world has access to what's keeping the people happy. No matter how many expansions you throw in and no matter how many events you generate to get people to play those again, never gonna happen unless you even the playing field. With Loot Scaling and Hard Mode.. nice.. you made some people go back and accomplish some good.. but they get uninscribable loot in Older campains.. which are now pretty much worthless unless perfect. Access to heroes should also be Cross game.

All SUCCESSFUL features that have been implemented in the past 2 years should be accessible in ALL of GW world.

But it's hard to determine a successful feature unless people STOP complaining about puny skill nerfs. 1 skill nerf should not make anyone quit a game that has over 400 skills to choose from .. seriously.. use your brains and stop being "spoiled" with them cookie cutter builds.

And if you are PVPer and complain that game is broken, tough luck.. nothing lasts forever. If you think you can keep the exact same build for 3 years and get your rank 10 Gladiator without even sweating, you're obviously overpowered. The point of RA is to test more than 1 build. Not domination with only 1 build. Earn your rank, then talk.

EDIT @ Mad Pig: speechless? finally.

Hear Hear

cebalrai · Jul 24, 2007, 12:47 PM // 12:47

If Anet takes 2-3 years to release GW2 without any major updates in between, I'm certain that a large chunk of players will be long gone.

Mekkakat · Jul 24, 2007, 09:52 PM // 21:52

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Originally Posted by SlyClone

I think a small cluster of GW players are simply miserable because something that they exploited was taken away. So, they will endlessly troll the forum trying to get Anet's attention.. but don't worry Anet don't listen to them spoiled brats anyway.

I believe there will be 2 more expansions before GW2 comes out to alleviate some "boring" factors that the hard core gamers(exploiters) need to stay happy for that long.

And it's possible that those speculated expansions will re-new the reasons to play the original campains.

Just even everything out. Like weapons that can be inscribed should be accessible across the whole game. Not just in Elona and further expansions. Think about it, Anet. You want people to play your WHOLE world, but ONLY a certain part of the world has access to what's keeping the people happy. No matter how many expansions you throw in and no matter how many events you generate to get people to play those again, never gonna happen unless you even the playing field. With Loot Scaling and Hard Mode.. nice.. you made some people go back and accomplish some good.. but they get uninscribable loot in Older campains.. which are now pretty much worthless unless perfect. Access to heroes should also be Cross game.

All SUCCESSFUL features that have been implemented in the past 2 years should be accessible in ALL of GW world.

But it's hard to determine a successful feature unless people STOP complaining about puny skill nerfs. 1 skill nerf should not make anyone quit a game that has over 400 skills to choose from .. seriously.. use your brains and stop being "spoiled" with them cookie cutter builds.

And if you are PVPer and complain that game is broken, tough luck.. nothing lasts forever. If you think you can keep the exact same build for 3 years and get your rank 10 Gladiator without even sweating, you're obviously overpowered. The point of RA is to test more than 1 build. Not domination with only 1 build. Earn your rank, then talk.

EDIT @ Mad Pig: speechless? finally.

can we meet in person? i think im in love.

finally someone tells it like it is and people shut up. so many complainers, and no one doing anything but sit and write it all down for those as depressed as the other kid sitting in front of his computer going, "OH OH OH, MEEEE TOOO! I FEEL THE SAME WAY!!".

if you don't like the game, leave, no one will miss you at all, this game has over 3 million and growing players that will fill your size 9 shoes, and if you don't care so much, pm me in game and give me all your "crap
seeing as you wont need it anyhow.

gg
gg
gg
gogogogogogogogo away.

Cyan The Archer · Jul 24, 2007, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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Originally Posted by Chop it Off

please, if you wish to enter an argument, know what your talking about.

I can agree with that.

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and if anet REALLY wanted to kill botters, they'd just nerf the base build skills and not mess around.

namely prot spirit

You can't.

Seriously, is it just me, or is there alot more "gw is dead" whiners here, than on GWO?

Lawnmower · Jul 25, 2007, 02:47 AM // 02:47

I wanna start out by saying that I am not a troll or GW hater or anything. I know that for saying this, right out of the game, will just make me more suspicious and really make me seem like a zealot undercover psycho GW hater with hidden motives, but I am really not. It's just hard for me to explain my "feelings".

My own concerns is that I love GW. I will most likely buy GW2. But I really like GW1. And I really want to keep playing it.

But to have fun within the game its needed to have a robust community. With 3 full games connected, and a massive expansions, that is really really massive on the PvE side, we have so many instanced areas, towns, cities, outposts and mission areas, that for the game not to become a ghost town with way to few players, something will have to be done.

In a code red senario, all districts could be merged. American, European, Chinese, Korean. Everything in one. The language barrier would be better than the few being completely alone without seeing any other players.

Secondly, I just hate that GW2 is called GW2. Numbered sequels is so lame and clichee. It's just down right bad taste and screams immaturies. If they absolutely must do a GW2, they should call it guild wars: [insert sub-title]!

For me it just gives a bad first impression.

Thirdly, hall of Momentuns give a nice oppotunity(sp?). I hope that GW2 will have a option to buy GW+all campaigns and GWEN for a good price, so all new GW2 players can see the world as it was 200 years prior. They could rebrand it online, as "discovering the past for GW". They could even use it as a test ground for GW2, or change things and add things and/or hint to things that will in GW2, because of the timeline.

Fourthly I would like to see a option for GW1 players to be able to host their own pvp servers, and perhaps play an offline or online co-op version of GW, hosted on player owned servers.

Mekkakat · Jul 25, 2007, 03:00 AM // 03:00

everything the guy above me said was fine till PServers were mentioned. PServers are almost always trash and a waste of developer's time...

gasmaskman · Jul 25, 2007, 03:08 AM // 03:08

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Originally Posted by SlyClone

And if you are PVPer and complain that game is broken, tough luck.. nothing lasts forever. If you think you can keep the exact same build for 3 years and get your rank 10 Gladiator without even sweating, you're obviously overpowered. The point of RA is to test more than 1 build. Not domination with only 1 build. Earn your rank, then talk.

I can't even think of a good response to this idiocy.

PvP has died for me along time ago, and it's dead for many others. Lack of skill balance, ignoring the (Pvp) players, etc. all contributed to that downfall.

Mekkakat · Jul 25, 2007, 03:13 AM // 03:13

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Originally Posted by gasmaskman

I can't even think of a good response to this idiocy.

PvP has died for me along time ago, and it's dead for many others. Lack of skill balance, ignoring the (Pvp) players, etc. all contributed to that downfall.

another whiner.

the only thing unbalanced atm is a few necro hexes, and even then, most team builds can fight through it. get over yourself.

Sophitia Leafblade · Jul 25, 2007, 08:39 AM // 08:39

I love Gw, its one of the best games ive ever played. Although im still not Sold on GW2 (sounds too much like WoW) but ill give Anet the benefit of the doubt and will probally buy it anyways. Either way ill be playing GW right up till GW2 is released, and very probally afterwards too.

Lonesamurai · Jul 25, 2007, 08:47 AM // 08:47

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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

I love Gw, its one of the best games ive ever played. Although im still not Sold on GW2 (sounds too much like WoW) but ill give Anet the benefit of the doubt and will probally buy it anyways. Either way ill be playing GW right up till GW2 is released, and very probally afterwards too.

Ok, I'm kind of with you, but one thing that is really pissing me off is people comparing EVERYTHING now with WoW

WoW IS NOT original people... hell, if you've played other MMO's, woW is actually a step back...

however, what ANet are doing is using things they know and are proven to work and removing things that didn't work in GW1... Hell, Jeff Strain himself said they'd just do it to GW1 if the game engine allowed it, however, to do it would catastrophically break the game as it is now, probably killing it 100%, so the easiest way is to make a new game, using a radically modified game engine with new elements that are known and proven to work (CoH/V's buddy system for instance), persistant worlds and instanced storyline missions and GW1's own map traveling system...

GW2 will give PvE what they want and PvP'ers a proper balanced PvP experience, going by what we've read so far and I for one can't wait...

Surena · Jul 25, 2007, 09:02 AM // 09:02

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Originally Posted by eightyfour-onesevenfive

It amuses me every time when I read all those "the game is already dead" and the "this killed the game", no wait, "that killed the game" statements.

Some people must have a very different definition for "dead" than I have. I can't argue with anybody who doesn't enjoy the game anymore, for whatever reasen. It is a matter of taste after all. But a game that is played by thousands and thousands of people all around the clock surely isn't "dead", is it?

As for the original question: I expect Guild Wars to stick around for quite a long time. It will of course continue to live in the shadows, as by far the most of Anets attention will go to GW2.

You know, these kids will continue playing anyway, just like the "experienced" PvPers will be back unless the really went off to Fury or WoW as they always threaten (which is always amusing). The Gladiator's Forum is still full of inactive players' whines. They just can't let loose. Time to grow up and learn to make choices.

HardWonFame · Jul 25, 2007, 09:09 AM // 09:09

WoW is actually a good comparison tool. As it is now the industry standard for MMO success. You wont get anywhere by ignoring your competition.

But on the actual question; again, no. How do you kill a game exactly? Even so labeled 'dead games' are still played, like SWG, FFXI, I would say Auto Assault but that one actually is dead lol.

Avarre · Jul 25, 2007, 09:50 AM // 09:50

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Originally Posted by Surena

You know, these kids will continue playing anyway, just like the "experienced" PvPers will be back unless the really went off to Fury or WoW as they always threaten (which is always amusing). The Gladiator's Forum is still full of inactive players' whines. They just can't let loose. Time to grow up and learn to make choices.

Fury is incredible. It took all of an hour of prebeta play to determine this.

Just saying.

With regards to Guild Wars... I wouldn't be surprised if GW2 wiped it out, especially as a lot of the replay value has been taken out of Guild Wars, in my view. There now really isn't much to do - to keep active, a game either needs achievements or new content. Then again, as the business model is entirely built on getting new players to start rather than current players to stay, that might not be too much of a problem.

Lawnmower · Jul 25, 2007, 11:51 AM // 11:51

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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

I love Gw, its one of the best games ive ever played. Although im still not Sold on GW2 (sounds too much like WoW) but ill give Anet the benefit of the doubt and will probally buy it anyways. Either way ill be playing GW right up till GW2 is released, and very probally afterwards too.

I think that I will do that too. Just keep playing GW1, and then if GW2 is good I will buy that, and play it ASWELL.

LOLERCAUST · Jul 25, 2007, 01:40 PM // 13:40

can i use my previous chars from GW1 on to GW2?

Lonesamurai · Jul 25, 2007, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by LOLERCAUST

can i use my previous chars from GW1 on to GW2?

you can link characters and your GW2 characters that share the name of one of your GW1 characters inheret things through the hall of monuments, so in a way, yes

Mekkakat · Jul 25, 2007, 03:22 PM // 15:22

if you have nothing to do in the game, and you're not having fun because you cry about what you think is a lack of balance and blah blah blah, then quit. if you're actually honestly looking for something to do till gw:en, i know i didn't enjoy NF very much, so i beat it with all of my main chars (4) and my other 4 were just left with proph and facts beaten. then i took all my favs and got them all the best looking armor sets imo, which was like 5-7 each, depending on who it was. i also dyed them either black, or some crazy neon color, so i had to get dye too. then i went out and got a type of weapon for every situation (zeal, vamp, ect.. i had most already, but i got stuff for like, elementals ect).

this all gave me some stuff to do to keep the boredom of NF away, and when i wasn't doing that, i was in various districts making conversation, so that the community could get together instead of whining in all chat.

if you used to like the game, and now you don't because you think some "retard" developer made some wrong choices, then either leave, and dont bother those of us who still love the game with your inactive status and negativity, or do somthing constructive, like give back to our community, with newbie aid and tips. no one likes a whiner.